As hosts of Showtime circus, Jennifer Palmieri, Mark McKinnon, And the John Hillman He had great success in penetrating the minds of voters. in conversation with Emily Jane Fox They offer the latest information from battlefield nations — including the looming shadow of the “Big Lie” — and offer their best guesses regarding Trump’s prospects for 2024.
Also in this episode: Talking to Joe Hagan, Anand Giridhardas, Progressive critic and author of the new book masked people, He outlines his idea of saving democracy through sharp messaging, opposing the “persuasion through dilution” strategy favored by the Democratic Party overly preoccupied with “a certain kind of white working-class electorate.”
Emily Jane Fox: You cover all of the hottest races happening in just a matter of weeks now. What on Earth is happening in all these places?
Jennifer Palmieri: There is a greater threat to all races, the greater threat to democracy, about which party will dominate Congress, but then there is only the broader question of which view of America will triumph? The disturbing thing to share with people is how much more Americans accept the “Big Lie.” They really believe that. They really believe that by fighting it, they are doing the right thing. This is by fighting Biden and they are doing the patriotic thing. We just spent a week in Arizona and it was deep there. You have to face the fact that this is America. This is not just a few leaders who have lost their way. There is such a much larger virus spread. And so you feel that very sharply, depending on what state you’re in, but that’s the crux of the fight. Carrie Lake, the Republican candidate for governor in Arizona who denies the election, did not hold back. She has a good chance of winning. It works really well. Very attractive, very attractive. and its Democratic opponent [Katie Hobbs] You don’t want to discuss it. She doesn’t want to go down the Lake Cary rabbit hole, but that’s what happens – the country is going down the Lake Cary rabbit hole. We’ll have to start this fight here in 2022 and then in 24, and we’re going to have to do that for a while.
There are candidates on the ballot paper who were present on January 6th. Does this message resonate?
Mark McKinnon: Well, it’s definitely hacky, especially when you have 61 percent of Republicans right now across the country believing the big lie. That’s two-thirds of the Republican Party. It’s very scary. We had three story lines in the spring. It was going to be a huge republic wave. And then, this summer, with Dobbs’ decision, that dynamic changed and it looked like Democrats might have a chance to come back. Maybe they’ll shut it down, and maybe hold the Senate with long odds over the House. And now I’d say it’s kind of a drift back in the Republican way, where it’s probably not a wave, but a very big ripple.
How much impact does the abortion have on what happens?
John Hillman: We do not know the answer to this question. These are all unprecedented things. There was never such a thing before – stripping of a basic constitutional right that people have had for 50 years. KS was an incredible thing. That should tell everyone everywhere that if they go out and work and organize, they can move the needle in really amazing ways. Across the country we’ve seen evidence of a wave of voter registration over the course of the summer, mostly by female voters. It looked like it would move the needle. I do not rule out the possibility of this continuing. Democrats are running on it everywhere. There are Democratic strategists who say that’s the only thing you should be working on. Bernie Sanders had to write an opinion piece the day before saying we should also be talking about the economy. This is the extent of exclusivity that many Democrats focus on [abortion].
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